Originally by: Sakura Shiro

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Edited by: Sakura Shiro on 15/11/2010 01:19:54
Edited by: Sakura Shiro on 15/11/2010 01:19:09
Swear some people never happy. Many been saying PVE is boring...ccp says voila new content to spice it up. Since an mmo ccp had this wacky idea that these incursions should be grouped based.

resists lower? have someone use their nighthawks and tengus for something more than overglorifed drakes. Lower dps, bring more people. paint the crap out of them, have a fleet of tacklers scram and web. Logi's...not just for neut repping privateers and orphans in jita and null sec blobbers lol. Balanced fleet to overcome the effects in other words.


Less bounty..because ccp not stupid. These would be farmed hardcore other wise. Incursion hits your systems. have fun with it. We been sayng since forever pve in eve is boring. This spices it up. Odd concept but eve is a game and games are meant to be fun. If a night or 2 of jsut plain ole fun is a deal breaker...I have to ask, why do you play eve? Sounds like you made a game a job. Don't see it myself. Got a day job...no need to make eve a night time one as well lol.

I welcome my sansha overlords and look forward to fleets formed to fight them. On a break from null sec and haven't killed a carrier in months :( (the last sansha test I hear an npc carrier died). If I must cheese it with an npc carrier...better than nothing till I can get back to null lol.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Rip Minner

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I promise you there would be alot less crying if they changed the rewards system in it to pay something to everyone that helps.

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It does. You just have to be sure you're on the side that helps the mostà

Adding a bit of competition to PvE is a good thing ù hell, they should backport that mechanic to the ordinary missions as well.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 15/11/2010 23:06:30

Originally by: Sephar Sephiroth

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I do agree in part Tippia, but its coersion on CCP's part.

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The only coersion is "something happened ù deal with it". Exactly how do choose to deal with it is entirely up to you. It is no different than pretty much any other "bad" thing that you might come across, and you can deal with it in the exact same ways. If an Incursion somehow causes insurmountable problems, then so does the rest of EVE, so you'd be just as screwed even if they weren't added to the game.

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Good or bad is a matter of opinion for both sides, but the end result is the same, people will whine it spoils their routine, which it does, it adds flavour to your routine so you're happy, net result, you'll stay for fun, the other might leave.

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Sure, but this addition is about as sandboxy as they come: the choice of what to do is entirely yours. Again, you're not forced to do any particular thing. You might feel the need to do somethingà but really, not even that might be needed in some cases.

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If you truly believe in the sandbox theory, then let them have their say as well as your own.

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I do believe in the sandbox idea, which is why I feel the complaints are so silly. The sandbox doesn't mean that you can always do exactly what you want ù it means you have a choice in how you want to attack the every-day problems that living in the EVE universe entails. This is just another one of those problems.

Oh, and I would never suggest going to play WoW: I'm not a cruel and malicious person, and don't want to make people suffer in that way. However, I will occasionally suggest to someone that EVE might not actually be right the kind of game for him or herà but that's no different from explaining to peggle players that they might not feel at home in MechWarrior.

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Originally by: Elzon1

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Originally by: Tippia

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Jump bridges are not affected.

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Dev Blog comments section page 2, CCP Ytterbium says:

"Regarding the system jamming effect, it will allow covert cynos, but not jump bridges."

So yes, it disrupt logistics chains in nullsec

Wouldn't it be funny to see a large alliance's jump bridge network disrupted for an entire week... war will never be the same

And dealing with it will be a pain in the butt since you can't use capitals in the incursions. If only the new supercarrier could jump into such systems would it be truly useful and fairly well protected I might add

As for missioning, imagine a ton of carebears in a mission hub simply close the pop up text warning that there is an incursion taking place in system whilst they are in their pimped out, faction fitted mission ships Just take the time to scan for pimped out ships going to mission with an ongoing incursion in system. Then, scan them down in their mission and warp to them in a cov ops and wait for the wreck to appear You could always point them with a t1 frigate to ease the process

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Originally by: Umega

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Originally by: Billy Kidd

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Edited by: Billy Kidd on 18/11/2010 09:54:08

Originally by: Tammarr

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I forsee Incursion will strike some unexpected, I also forsee the highsec population that dosent read forums all the time will be quite thrilled to get weather systems in eve.

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Fair enough. If an incursion in its current form (with disruptions that discourage mining and mission-running) hits certain high-sec constellations, I foresee many people getting upset that suddenly CCP is raining on their parade in order to get them to do something they may be unwilling or unable to do.

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I forsee many more people enjoying the additional content AND the rewards that come of it, whether they take part in or not. Far more than those that will actually be opposed to it. And yet ANOTHER point towards how it is beneficial for the area wide 'weather' effects.. it does give incentive for more pople to do it. More people doing it.. more LP in people's hands.. more LP spent on rewards.. more rewards on market.. price goes down from increased supply.. into the hands of those that do not take part in it. Can chalk that up on the list as another positive aspect of the 'weather' effects.

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Originally by: weebil

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Originally by: Daerrol

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I spend 9/10ths of my time doing missions. Am I a carebear? I think so. I love this new patch. I think it's a great direction. seriosuly I think people are getting their shorts in a knot about something because, hey, people love to find something to cry about.

+1 CCP. This expansion is way better than dominion :) Just hope it doesn't cause as much difficulty :)

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You are like most the carebears I know..salvating at the thought of this. Anyone who attended the previous Sansha invasions will know how popular they were.

Basically to the whiners..if the incusrion is in a busy constallation it will be gone in hours..it may not even land in your timezone..so you would not even know it had happened.

CCP has a large demographic of players who play for a year doing missions, get bored and leave. I think incursions is aimed at getting them to stay, or the ones who left to come back. It gives a new challenge after missions, introduces them to group play and cooperation. I probably won't take part, but a lot of my friends can't wait to fight off the Sansha..especially those coming up to the one year mission burn

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Originally by: Luminos

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I'll hand it to you Billy, I would not have the stamina to keep this up like you.

How is it not obvious how much CCP wants to make mission/miner lives difficult? Arguing that these changes 'might' disrupt things is like arguing +85% projectile damage 'might' make 200mm Autocannons overpowered. It's impossible to believe they came up with a set of effects that precisely hit those two professions with basically 0 collateral damage, without intending it.

Apparently CCP doesn't like High Sec carebearing. Maybe they don't like the lag 302 missioners in the same constellation creates, maybe they don't like the 1 person per 3 systems population density of null-sec... who knows? They want to annoy carebears into doing something else; "else" is probably getting a Corp, some fleet experience, and staking a claim in nullsec/WH space.

But hey, maybe they just want them to GTFO and take their hangers full of Meta3 modules with them.

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Originally by: Luminos

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As much as they love the 7 month average subscription? Or as much as they love that 70% of their playerbase will never leave their 'home' constellation? I get the idea they're (for better or worse) trying to mold EvE into their vision of a universe simulation, instead of just a daily grind for Emblems of Frost.

It's incredibly easy to fall into the High Sec carebear trap. I know I have. I get one of the most profitable passtimes in known space, with zero risk. I have to really screw up to get my ship blown up, much less podded, in High Sec. Just making that jump out to Low Sec increases the risk to you and your ship a hundred times for comparatively little extra reward. And I think that's what CCP wants to get rid of. However, since CCP seems unwilling to remove the influence of CONCORD (somewhat reasonably), the only way they have to adjust the risk/reward ratio is to reduce the reward.

Is it a blunt force approach? Yeah. I'm pretty sure Faction Warfare was also an attempt to de-soloize High Sec, but that didn't work out terribly well either due to it's opt-in/opt-out nature. As long as a 0-risk/high-reward option exists, people will gravitate to it. So pick your poison, you can deal with reduced rewards, or eventually CCP may get rid of High Sec as we know it altogether.

Which honestly would by my preferred way of doing things. I'd like to see something along the lines of FW participation be the default state for new players. If you don't want to deal with a constant wardec from half of High Sec... fine, go to Low/Nullsec (where you can have a basically constant wardec from all of High Sec ). It achieves much the same goal of adjusting the risk/reward of High Sec, without the percieved arbitrariness of Sansha incursions. And it has the added benefit of getting new players used to the idea of PvP conflict being a real part of everyday life in EvE, instead of an unfortunate side effect of a mislaid autopilot route.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 20/11/2010 12:21:49

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10 to 90 sec? That is way off. Six jumps in a battleship is 6 min at least gate to gate. Add in frequent disconnects and multiple log in failures and its now around 15 min one way

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Garbage. You cry for the loss of the optimization of time to the minute but then pick an ISP that seems off the 1990s?

I play - every day - on a mobile USB key, one of the worst situations for disconnects - and I get 3-4 discsonnects a day.

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NPC bounty reductions provides an incentive for players to gather arms, team up, and face the threat

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That's exactly a good sentence.
CCP - for once - hints at why they do things. It's a timid move as well, because imho Sanshas should be the evil that comes to take people away etc. etc. so their attacks should be REALLY disruptive.

If I had been CCP I'd have put an 1 hour timer in missions to warn of incoming attack, then Sanshas would arrive and really assault the constellation, warp scramble people with T2 ships, > BC, > covetor (to spare the newbies).

That would be epic.

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"Why does CCP want to make my mission-running and mining life difficult!? I'm a paying customer and I didn't do anything to deserve this! blah blah blah..."

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This sh!t ****es me off so much because it's 15 years I read it in every single fudging MMO forum.

Here is my fluffy take about this in another MMO. Notice how identical whines for similar events keep happening (Amon = lead developer):



BTW that MMO tanked and very hard. For many reasons but also because dirty p**ssies kept it hostage of their whines for years.
"WHHHHAAAAAAAA EVIL WOLF ATTACKS ME WHEN I DIG MY IMPORTANT STAND STONEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. REMOOOOOVE IT NOW I AM PAAAYYYYYYNGGGG PLAYEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR!!11112232"

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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This is true I loved that game. But death did not cost you nearly as much as here so I always wondered why they cryed. Man I tryed to collet DP's :)

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Oh, you played Istaria? Who were you if I may ask?

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Originally by: Zelman Axe

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I would love to see the first incursion happen in jita or motsu lol cryfest

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